You have to figure out as a band how a band becomes a business, and then you have to keep that business mentality separate from the creative one, which is good for the songs. It's always a work in progress.

Clearly, things are definitely changing in big ways as far as the way we consume music, listen to music, and what we expect from music.

You have to figure out as a band how a band becomes a business, and then you have to keep that business mentality separate from the creative one, which is good for the songs. It's always a work in progress.

There's a certain power in vague language, but I started to get more into the idea of really trying to have a discrete thought in the lyrics and to have songs that were about stuff - to try to make things more coherent.

Sometimes when you're on tour, it feels like you're living the same day over and over again.

I'm super interested in visual, and I love that being in a band can be as much about making an image as it is about making a sound.

I do feel like the hardest thing is to do something simple and tap into whatever remains of our common language rather than cultivating your own willfully esoteric vocabulary.