If we cling to the institution of Islam, then we tend to defend it against whatever we see as a danger to it, so because of this we see now that many people are defending states, defending territories, defending everything institutional in the belief that they defend Islam.
Abdurrahman WahidI told the students that we can exert pressure without resorting to violence, and that we can move towards democracy without violence; that way, God will allow it.
Abdurrahman Wahid