I'd signed up not just for Christianity but the established Church of England. That has a particular history and I think we rather lost it in the 19th Century, we became so much part of empire and colonialism, the language of the Church Of England still reflects that Victorian time. As the 20th Century developed, not surprisingly people left the church and I can see the church's role in losing people.

I've never really separated out the spiritual and the secular.

John Moncur has been much more effective since he came on

I think what we're really bad at doing is recognising that it is possible to have lost of different views within the church.

Well, he had two stabs at the cherry

I'd signed up not just for Christianity but the established Church of England. That has a particular history and I think we rather lost it in the 19th Century, we became so much part of empire and colonialism, the language of the Church Of England still reflects that Victorian time. As the 20th Century developed, not surprisingly people left the church and I can see the church's role in losing people.

It was the game that put the Everton ship back on the road.