I don't want to say that in a place that's negative about what the fear is. I just want to be a realist.
Ava DuVernayWhat we tried to do in 13th was get to the bottom of that. What were they motivated by? But certainly the attention that the Attorney General's office paid to it allowed for there to be some dialogue across the aisle that I think were the first steps then in change.
Ava DuVernay