I know at the beginning of our careers, my wife and I were gut wrenchingly competitive.

Cynthia's lyrics always expressed the feelings people felt but they couldn't express themselves.

We became the songs we wrote.

You have certain writing tools but generally creating something from nothing makes one quite mad and Cynthia and I are quite mad you know.

You've got to really be able to accept the rejection.

I get a different kind of lyric from someone else that might make me go in a different musical direction.

You're going to have more rejection than acceptance.