I enjoy the collaboration. I always envied people in bands who got to have that interaction.

I don't remember half of the new bands, though - and I think that's kind of where we're going. It's turning into just a big derby of songs. May the best song win.

There are certain records that you love because the songs are great, but you don't go to them as an example of great production.

I have for four years now been ringing the bell. Economic Holocaust is coming. Economic day of reckoning is coming.

Back then, Pro Tools only had four or eight tracks, so we couldn't actually hear all the tracks. We could only hear eight at a time, so if a song had 25 or 30 tracks, we wouldn't be able to hear it until we went into the studio an put it all on tape. The process was a little bit backwards.

Sometimes, I think the way the music business has been destructive and the way the fans are been put through it and try to navigate through it, so much is so foreign to what musicians would actually want to do or what would be natural to them.

Your heart is a drum keeping time with everyone.