I walked away from going to church when I was 8. I didn't set foot in another church until I was 28.

Been there, done that, seen it, heard it, pissed on it.

Why is it that all non-conformists look the same?

If you don't fit into this kind of like gossipy, trendy, Web-hit thingy, you're relegated to sort of second-class celebrity status.

People think I take some sort of masochistic pleasure out of putting out music that's gonna be unpopular.

I was playing heavy metal when I was 18. I had to evolve out of that into an alternative consciousness about what it meant to change the way I played guitar, and the kind of songs, and the subject matter, and singing about child abuse, and all this stuff. I had to come from somewhere, and I had to take chances to do that.

What most people do is try to find a comfortable persona that they're in alignment with and the public likes and appreciates them for.