I am not looking for board positions, I am looking for good governance.

When an institution goes through an inflection point, it has to institutionalise itself. That institutionalisation requires governance to be put in place, governance processes.

When you look at good governance, you also need to look at how you approach the subject.

Shareholder value gets lost when things are done illegally, when corporate governance is not adhered to, when cohesive action is not taken.

I am not looking for board positions, I am looking for good governance.

At the end of the day, everybody has to take the right decisions for the right reasons.

If wrong decisions, both from a governance perspective and ethics, happen, this is a slippery slope that we will go down. Unless and until you recognise this, you will not take the right decisions.