Better a broken heart than a hardened one.

People are so complex and multidimensional that raising someone to 'hero' status is too great a simplification.

You know, a meme is now circulating that's called the Ostrich Brigade. And it's used to describe all those people who are burying their heads in the sand. I call it the three D strategy. It's denial, deflection, and a demonization of those of us who want to speak honestly about these issues of extremism.

I think what speaks loudest and what speaks to your point is the blood that's spilling from Australia, to now California. I mean, how much blood has to be spilled until we recognize inside of a Muslim community that with do have an ideological problem?

Because people were attracted to him because he was not elected to an office. He was not a politician. And like you said before, he was a person that people say "Wow! He has the idea!" But the more and more you listen to Donald Trump, the more you have the sense that he is not the person that's going to run the country. And I have strong views.

Muslims are the primary victims of ISIS. Muslims are the ones who want to do the most to defeat this ideology. It's important that we don't do their propaganda for them, by giving them the legitimacy that they crave.

I don't think there's any clever way for the establishment to take Donald Trump down. It's very simple. Another candidate is going to have to find a way either to out-maneuver him, or to just frankly beat him in the argument.