And then, when I went into the Navy, there was no choice. You took about half of the hours during your naval training as naval courses and the other half were engineering.

I did graduate with a bachelor's degree in civil engineering in 1948.

I got called back into the Navy during the Korean War.

But I decided I wanted more education and I had to make a choice between starting law school, which was interesting to me, and going for a graduate degree in engineering.

When it came time to go to the University, it was during the war.

I stayed in the Navy until July of 1946.

I might say that in retrospect, looking at where the community college system is today, I think we may have gone too far. The community college system is so big, so broad, so consuming of tax money.