I think it's fair to say we're both in the business of self-obliteration through music.

We met [with Massimo Pupillo] many years ago in the halcyon days of the underground avant-prog math-rock scene when I was playing in Guapo.

The superabundance alludes to the myth that is ensuring our demise but it's also the space around and possibly the void that we enter into, beyond that delusion.

It has a double meaning - the superabundance also means the space around, the incomparable massiveness of things, and how there's not much of a discrepancy between the tiniest microbe and the supercluster: the small and the infinite are inseparable.

I think it's fair to say we're both in the business of self-obliteration through music.

The superabundance is an ecological myth that we will never run out of resources, that the Earth, that Gaia, is in this perpetual state of renewal. And the "contagious magic" is the blind belief that this is the case, and the reason we're careering towards ecological disaster.

I remember Massimo [Pupillo] sending me an email from Tibet saying he was up in a cave somewhere, being very still. We found we had lots of shared affinities that we'd never really talked about before.