My uncle and my grandfather both worked in the Brooklyn Navy Yard.

By the mid-70s, I wanted to get out of the business. I was tired anyway.

I'm a very, very stubborn man.

If you look at music, you see theme, variation, you see symmetry, asymmetry, you see structure, and these are related to skills in the real world.

My uncle and my grandfather both worked in the Brooklyn Navy Yard.

Sometimes you have to forget your principles and do what’s right.

I think I have more in common with a carpenter than you might think. We're putting things together.