When I was younger and bands were formed that way, out of friendships rather than anything else. It wasn't like we put up want ads.

We aren't trying to make poetry or anything beautiful. It's just a rock show. We just want to enjoy playing loud. That's just about it.

Now since I've gotten back into it, I've been listening to a lot more of the 1990s death metal type stuff.

You can go to any small town in America, there's going to be a metal fan there. You can't say that about post-rock.

We were pretty normal - suburban kids having a good time playing in bands. We were silly. We weren't dark, intense, humorless people. Humor was one of the connecting forces among us. It was more like camaraderie.

I stayed a kid for a pretty long time, and the logistics of being in a band, I did not take seriously at all.

I was young, but to me that was underground music. I had never heard anything like Venom or any of that stuff growing up in Louisville. That was sort of the only weird records I could find. All that stuff would be in the import section. And sometimes there would be some sort of goth type of stuff. But that was the stuff I was attracted to.