And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'

I led the fight for the Clinton health care plan in 1994. We failed. I learned from that experience. What I learned is you can't pass a complicated government-run plan.

When you succeed (with legislation), that feeling is exhilaration. And it takes leadership from a president, which means you meet with members of Congress 24/7 and you talk and you listen.

The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students.

Politics takes patience, time, listening and endless meetings.

I don't think you can be a good listener unless you're a good listener. I think it's something that you really have to do, and if you really do it, then you can do it. If you don't do it, then you can't do it.

And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'