And that Newman wasn't, and yet to me Pollock is just as radical and unlike Expressionism as Newman.

I think most of the art now is involved with a denial of any kind of absolute morality, or general morality.

Pollock looks unusual and radical even now.

Most art is fragile and some should be placed and never moved away.

And then we moved to New Jersey and I went to the Art Students League.

But I think that's a particular kind of experience involving a certain immediacy between you and the canvass, you and the particular kind of experience of that particular moment.

Design has to work. Art does not.