And frankly, when I made that record, hit songs were not what I was trying to achieve.

If I were to do this over I'd play a lot more shows before I made a record

I make the kind of music I like

A real foolproof way to do it is play your stuff by hook or by crook and build up a grass roots following

Happy music doesn't tend to move me much

But really important, perhaps most important is the craft; how you make your record, the creation of these sonic worlds you want your listener to hear.

I also wanted to make a record that was about other things than romance, yeah, after two years on the road singing all the songs from the first album, I got kind of tired of that.