People can be chaos but it's hard to fit it into some creative piece that you made. It's hard.

I think the music business will eventually crush me, but I [smiles]... I'm ready.

I just wanted to move out of Portland to do something.

I watched myself put my paw in the bear trap on that one because there was this clause about leaving members

I've been doing four-track songs by myself since I was like a teenager, where I'd sing in a way that I ... I just didn't think other people would like it, so I didn't play it for them but eventually I got over that, which I'm happy that I did, because it's kind of a drag to be playing a kind of music that you don't really like as much as another kind.

I got tired of doing battle with people thinking I was a little weird because I wasn't in a band making happy, stilted music. The only people who really seem weird to me are people who think they're normal. People who think it's possible to be normal just by doing the same things that most people do. Is there a most people? I don't know. Television makes it seem like there is, but I think that might just be television.

So if somebody writes a song that appears to have some meaning then everybody thinks that it's a really heavy song.