Man, there's another freedom out there, and it comes from somewhere else, and that somewhere else is the place I'm interested in.

I work from the inside out.

Liquid architecture. It's like jazz - you improvise, you work together, you play off each other, you make something, they make something. And I think it's a way of - for me, it's a way of trying to understand the city, and what might happen in the city.

People live and work in uninspiring environments, but look inside those rooms. Look at the painted walls and the decorations. People rebel even in the most controlled office environment in which they're not allowed to do anything. You see the little bulletin board in front of a person's desk with their photos, clippings, cartoons and whatever else.

Architecture and any art can transform a person, even save someone. It can for children - for anyone. It still does for me.

In the Renaissance there wasn't a distinction. Bernini was an artist and he made architecture, and Michelangelo also did some great architecture.

I don't know whose box I'm in, and I don't really care.