It's really important that we get rid of the idea that protest will create change. We don't realize that that kind of organizing worked only when the government was very strong, when the West ruled the world, relatively speaking.

Finding the leaders of the future is a question of recognizing those people who give leadership in a crisis.

We urgently need a paradigm shift in our concept of the purposes and practices of education. We need to leave behind the concept of education as a passport to more money and higher status in the future and replace it with a concept of education as an ongoing process that enlists the tremendous energies and creativity of schoolchildren in rebuilding and respiriting our communities and our cities now, in the present.

We need to do what I call visionary organizing. Recognize that in every crisis, people do not respond like a school of fish. Some people become immobilized. Some people become very angry, some commit suicide, and other people begin to find solutions. And visionary organizers look at those people, recognize them and encourage them, and they become leaders of the future.

The struggle we're dealing with these days, which, I think, is part of what the 60s represented, is how do we define our humanity?

I believe that we are at the point now, in the United States, where a movement is beginning to emerge.

A revolution that is based on the people exercising their creativity in the midst of devastation is one of the great historical contributions of humankind.