I don't think we had a hard time with ["Mary and Jane"]. It is just, it was the constant management of it.

We ["Mary and Jane"] did not want to be a weed show, like it is a bunch of people sitting around smoking.

We did want it ["Mary and Jane"] to feel a little different and have some surreal weird touches, which we try to do every episode. That is what we took advantage of.

The pilot is easy. It is 30 minutes, 20 minutes. It is not that much to juggle.

When we were done and not picked up to series yet, they wanted us to read lots of writers. I was like, "No." Then we finally were picked up. It is hard not to start thinking of story lines. It is like doodling.

We also had an "in" with MTV those days. Tara Reid was engaged to Carson Daly. She just called him and was like, "Do you want to be in the movie?" So they kind of had to make it work.

It feels like a totally different MTV now.Now they have all their own original series, and people are talking about going back to music now? It's all original programming.