In classical oil painting, there seemed to be a radical turn to seeing things as the camera sees them, with that technological modification. I began to have a tremendous problem with all of this.

I'm actually a great fan of lucidity.

When somebody says that all statements are false, the obvious problem is that as an assertion it's self-defeating.

At the same time, I was listening to black music, and I began to think that the best musicians were receiving the worst treatment. The people who were doing the greatest work were despised as lower class, with no dignity accorded to what they did.

Around 1967 I began backing away from dogmatic Leninism, not so much because I thought it was false, I just decided there was nothing utopian about it.

I began composing works which were imitative of the music I was being told about. I was also very interested in translating the music into visual terms.

Rock became an incredible commercial success, people just became bored with serious music, and it was forgotten.