We are such materialists that all our metaphors are going to be material.

One of the things I have been arguing about - and slowly they maybe coming around - is tjat I personally don't believe in aliens. But, I do believe that there is something out there that is accountable for all these mysterious things that are going on: I think it is a spiritual thing not a material thing.

It is a struggle. But I don't mind. I will just keep fighting on.

We are such materialists that all our metaphors are going to be material.