The world that you can go walk outside and walk around the block. That's reality. The reality that's being talked about is something else entirely.

I think part of what has to happen, somewhere, pretty soon, is that a human template has to come up. We have to start with, OK let's throw out all this other stuff, everything we have thought about it before, throw out all our models, and start with a human. What is a human?

Light shows are sort of a meditative kind of experience, you know. It is not like a shock.

It's pretty clear now that what looked like it might have been some kind of counterculture is, in reality, just the plain old chaos of undifferentiated weirdness.

Each person makes their own decision about what it is that is happening, whether they like it or don't like it, whether they want to lend their energy to it or not or what, you know.

And the live show is still our main thing.

What's been great about the human race gives you a sense of how great you might get, how far you can reach.