I'm not trying to spell out a story. I still think you feel the painting, and the reason you read the mark is because you also feel the mark.

Race always comes up in the conversation of Detroit.

I always wanted to be an artist, but I didn't really know how someone could make a life out it.

I'm really interested in the nondefinitive element of abstraction.

You're not just this person who's from your own specific experiences, but the collective experience of what makes you who you are because of time.

I'm not trying to spell out a story. I still think you feel the painting, and the reason you read the mark is because you also feel the mark.

People look at film in a gallery, and if they walk out after two minutes they know they haven't seen the whole work. But then people look at a painting for two minutes and think they've seen it. Certain paintings are made to be consumed fast. But some require a slowed-down time. You have to go back to them.