But the most important thing is, Enron did not cause the California crisis.

It's been very interesting. We've seen a lot of interesting testimony. We've seen a lot of interesting people, a lot of allegations, a lot of lies, a lot of misinformation and some truth.

I don't think I'm a criminal, number one.

If there is anything material and we're not reporting it, we'll be breaking the law. We don't break the law.

In the case of Enron, we balance our positions all the time.

I always took my role as a leader, and certainly chairman and CEO of a major company very seriously as to our employees and trying to create opportunities for them and create opportunities where they could even, as I said many times, could realize their God-given potential and maybe realize more potential than even they realize they had.

I mean, our primary businesses in wholesale pipelines, utilities, retail, were all doing extremely well.