Well, rates would go up whether you deregulate or not, and of course, the rates that are going up right now on the electricity side are still within the regulated framework.

I mean, our primary businesses in wholesale pipelines, utilities, retail, were all doing extremely well.

I don't think I'm a criminal, number one.

You'd rather have a surplus versus a shortage in your position.

When there's uncertainty they always think there's another shoe to fall. There is no other shoe to fall.

Am I a fool? I don't think I'm a fool. But I think I sure was fooled.

The transmission systems are still regulated.