I take responsibility for what happened at Enron, both good and bad. But I cannot take responsibility for criminal conduct that I was unaware of.

But indeed a market like California is not good for Enron.

I don't think I'm a criminal, number one.

But I can't take responsibility for criminal conduct of somebody inside the company.

It's been very interesting. We've seen a lot of interesting testimony. We've seen a lot of interesting people, a lot of allegations, a lot of lies, a lot of misinformation and some truth.

But certainly I didn't know he was doing anything that was criminal.

Today, there are also buyers and sellers of all these energy commodities, just like there are buyers and sellers of food commodities and many other commodities.