In the '50s Morris Louis and I were not known, David Smith and Helen Frankenthaler were not much known.

As time goes on, I realize more and more that, beginning in the early 30's, David Smith began setting the precedent for what was to come later for many of us.

With artists of my own generation there was at first no group identity - and never a clique.

I think of painting without subject matter as music without words.

I met David Smith through my former wife, Cornelia, who'd studied with him.

In the '50s Morris Louis and I were not known, David Smith and Helen Frankenthaler were not much known.

Usually I throw away what I don't get right the first time.