And about in the late '80s, I got kind of burned out a little bit.

I've had disappointments and heartbreaks and setbacks and roles I didn't get, but something always came along that either made me better or was an even better role.

I worked for the recreation and parks department for a year.

I have done a series in the '60s, '70s and '80s.

I started out wanting to coach football.

And about in the late '80s, I got kind of burned out a little bit.

So it's like starting over again, but I look forward to the challenge.