And there are a lot of people interested in creative music, there are more and more and more.

They're not just interested in one sort of music any more.

Many times you never know what's going to happen. You'll play songs that you never thought you were going to play.

The music we play is kind of hard to explain. It's music that we really feel.

You know when I was younger I used to look at Downbeat Magazine and I figured anybody in Downbeat must be making a living.

You would think that anyone on a major label would be doing something, but when you speak of major label that means something to maybe a big pop star that might be getting some sort of benefit from the major. But we still don't get anything.

A lot of jazz is like that; it sells over a period of time.