We were always in the shadows of the stuff that was getting more attention. So people learned to listen to us slowly over time. And, frankly, we learned how to listen to ourselves. It takes us a long time to write a song that we all really like, so it makes sense that it would take a while for the listener to get there, too.

It takes us a long time to write a song that we all really like, so it makes sense that it would take a while for the listener to get there, too.

I'm trying to figure out how to record at home because I have a tiny house and a seven-year-old and my wife also works at home. So I can't work in the house because she's trying to write, so I pitched a tent in the backyard. I'm literally trying to record in the tent.

I drink wine on stage to sort of loosen my grip on reality a little.

I focus on the words and then I have fun putting together the music after.

I'm not saying I'm not a moody guy sometimes, but I think I have a pretty normal balance.

I'd say recording and playing on stage are two completely different things. Being up in front of all people is like jumping off a cliff into icy water. The recording process is a totally different energy.