We simply have not kept in touch with poetry

Frost isn’t exactly despised but not enough people have worked out what a brilliant poet he was.

The ground swell is what’s going to sink you as well as being what buoys you up. These are clichés also, of course, and I’m sometimes interested in how much one can get away with.

For whatever reason, people, including very well-educated people or people otherwise interested in reading, do not read poetry

I certainly am interested in accessibility, clarity, and immediacy.

Of course, you can't legislate for how people are going to read.

What I try to do is to go into a poem - and one writes them, of course, poem by poem - to go into each poem, first of all without having any sense whatsoever of where it's going to end up