[Randy white] was such a huge part of my foundation and who I would become in God - from covering me - when you talked about being sexually abused and not having value for yourself - God so used Randy to cover me with unconditional love. And he saw something in me that I couldn't see in myself.

I think we try to box and put God in some limited definition, which is impossible.

I believe the bible helps yourself.

There are crucial things that cause fractures, breaks, whatever in relationships. But no one throws a life away.

I say you have to remember in darkness what he told you in light. And the principle is this that there are times that it does feel like God is playing hide and go seek. But I trust him.

I was in school at the time, but at this time I'm in college. I'm holding up this bible and I say, God, who are you?And so I do nothing for the next two years of my life, virtually, but stay in the word of God and find out what is the answers to life.

There are many different ways that people get licensed or ordained through different ministries, denominations, etc. So - but for myself, there was no formal seminary.