[ To break the law] would still be an imperative. I guess we do it for both reasons. You try to be a Christian, you try to come from that tradition of the Jewish prophets and then Christ and everything since. That becomes your handbook. "Witness" is the key word. You witness against the injustice, against the atrocity, against the heavy-handedness, and all the rest. We try to make a statement to other people, and we try to say it's your responsibility, too.

War can't end terrorism. War is terrorism.

The church is a major bureaucracy, and major bureaucracies are disobedient to the gospel.

You have a responsibility to confront the war games - the American killing machine.

Lying and war are always associated. Listen closely when you hear a war-maker try to defend his current war: If he moves his lips he's lying.

The only way you can get at the state is by dealing with its laws.

If you dissent without breaking the law then you are legitimizing the system that allows this kind of latitude. You have to break the law to touch the state.