I like the work hanging free in the frame. I don't like too much frame around it but I like a little breathing space around the piece.

Art was something that I was really interested in, probably more so than writing or anything else.

I was never that big a rock-and-roll, rock guy. I really preferred jazz, you know, that kind of thing.

And when you see artists like Donald Judd and so forth being referred to as conceptual, what the hell does that mean? It's a totally meaningless term.

People who look at art don't really - don't go with the artist. They don't sort of accept what he or she has done and kind of go with it. There are always - either there's too much color or not enough color, either it's not conceptual enough or it's too conceptual. In other words, most criticism isn't what the viewer expected that it would do based on what they think you have done and that's good as far as I'm concerned.

Everybody is always satisfied with what I do.

I think you say the word in your mind anyway, you know. When you look at a word, you say it.