I think you say the word in your mind anyway, you know. When you look at a word, you say it.

The words represent ideas first of all. That is something you have to understand. I mean, it is not just an object, but it is an object with a history and it is loaded with all kinds of implications and ideas. They exist in the world in a very special way. So they kind of represent some aspect of the world that we perceive, as do photographs, as do drawings of trees or whatever. And they are not a one to one. They are not the world, but they kind of refer to the world and they also exist in the world.

The Vogels were quite strict in what they acquired. They never acquired a projection. They never acquired a sound piece. They were never big on photos that much, unless it was photos documenting something. They had some limitations into what they bought.

But artistically, my art I kept very separate from my political beliefs, deliberately and very, very rarely would I allow that kind of thing into it.

Even though you're reading something, it's as though that person who wrote it is speaking to you. It's a form of conversation, really.

I was a filmmaker. I made movies. I made films. And I always took photos and made films, always from the beginning.

By being critical, you also develop your own style of what you like, what direction you want to move.