When black men started bearing arms, these people who we think of as being pro-gun are saying, 'We ought to change this law.

One of the most important parts of the civil rights movement that people don't talk about was these mass meetings. It's like "Movement Church." It's a combination of the music of the movement and the church. Those mass meetings are where people got the energy to go on to the next day.

Race is always tossed into the mix. The unspoken idea is always that white people have a right to carry guns and bear arms.

There's a similarity in both being young people who are not about the politics of respectability.

People also don't understand how young the Panthers were - basically teenagers. And that they were over 50 percent women.

As the voices beneath the music are talking, you find that the music is just as important as what they're saying. The traditional thing is to lower the music so you can hear the dialogue. We just couldn't do that for that song.

Once your leaders get corrupted one way or another, it's hard to stop the organization from being corrupted.