But, then again, I wouldn't call myself an indie-rock supporter even if there are some really good bands out there and there will always be some real good new bands.

The word "down," is very musical. It just always comes.

I did some writing. I was just taking the kids to school. I did a couple things and we did some tours. It was a lot of downtime.

Lyrics are back, maybe. It seems like there was a bit of an attitude that lyrics are not important.

We're probably a couple of freaks who've created their own little universe, are living in our own little world and that's the only place where we can survive.

There's something in life that's cool, it's relatively cheap, and fun, and populist. Even when it's elitist.

I hated it so much as a child. I just didn't like it when punk bands went metal, it really bothered me. It was happening left and right in the 1980s. It started I think with D.C. bands - G.I., Soul Side, they went metal. Right at that time, R.E.M. was coming out, these more kinda feminine bands, and I was more drawn to that than to go metal. And you remember MTV, with the bad metal. But even Metallica, it just wasn't my direction.