We have the most crude accounting tools. It's tragic because our accounts and our national arithmetic doesn't tell us the things that we need to know.

The World Development Movement, to take just one example, is doing good work. Some political parties are, too.

What you need if you want jobs are small and medium sized enterprises, local initiatives, labour intensive work, community development, service providers and the like.

I think the market is always going to be around. The goal is not to say, let's get rid of the market, because the market does render a huge number of services, and I don't want to have a fight about the price of something every time I buy a book or a bottle of water.

Now we are flying off into outer space, there is no clear curb on what can be done in the name of the economy.

The Sierra Club in the United States has now really come out for population control and reduction.

What I worry about is climate change, because that would have untold effects that we can't even measure yet.