I have to match wits with the ads. Like, there's pop-ups that, like, move around and you have to chase them like it was a video game or something. And then there's ads where, like, you know, the X to, like, close the ad screen is so kind of small that you can't find it and you have to actually go looking for it. And so I spend all my energy - instead of, like, absorbing what the advertiser wants to communicate to me, I spend my energy trying to figure out how to defeat the ad.
Terry GrossThere should be a revenue stream that helps pay for the publication or for the work and helps pay the people who do it.
Terry Gross[Hillary Clinton] is hinted a little bit about what his[Bill Clinton] role might be, but just a little bit.
Terry GrossSo the Great Santini was how he liked being referred to by his children. He would line up his seven children, and there was this ritual we'd go through. And he would say, who's the greatest of them all? And we - the seven - would say, you are, oh, Great Santini. And he would say, who knows all, hears all and sees all? You do, oh, Great Santini. So this was the ridiculous way I was raised.
Terry GrossAnd once you say this is true, you start naming the beast that hurts you - so I started doing this. Other truths come out.
Terry Gross