Quite often when you help poor people, they don't think about the environment. They think about survival.

Why do we have to have people come from afar to come and grow food for us, or to grow food to sell to us? It is partly because we are almost becoming used to people doing things for us. Like somebody else is going to solve that problem for us. And that to me is very disempowering system.

Education of course is a very empowering experience, so many people who went to school also managed to improve their quality of life much faster because they could get a job, they could get money, and with money you could buy things that you cannot buy if you don't have money.

I know there is pain when sawmills close and people lose jobs, but we have to make a choice. We need water and we need these forests.

We tend to put the environment last because we think the first thing we have to do is eliminate poverty and send children to school and provide health.

Once people see that you improve you life if you are educated, then education becomes a valuable tool and people want it.

There will always be people who think that you have ambitions.