Benny Goodman's band was integrated before baseball. Even before it was physically integrated, music was integrated. Everyone listened to Armstrong and Ellington. The 20s was called the Jazz Age. It's part of being American.

So when we spend all of our time trying to separate that which is already joined, it's a waste of time.

My schedule is always tight. But I like to have the pressure of having to finish doing something; it gives me an added edge.

When did we begin to lose faith in our ability to effect change?

The people are not coming because of me. They didn't come before me. It's because of a lack of education and understanding, so it makes me more motivated. It's like my mother said about having an artistic child - she learned more from him and he gets more attention and more of the love, not less.

When me and my brother would go to see our daddy playing, there'd be 30 people in the audience. I was only 14 or 15, but I realised something was wrong.

Only a few act - the rest of us reap the benefits of their risk.