In our society we have hard nerds and soft nerds. The hard nerds are the ones who used to have the slide rules at their belt; now they have calculators. The soft nerds are the ones who get violently ill whenever anybody mentions an integral sign.
Alan KayI fear - as far as I can tell - that most undergraduate degrees in computer science these days are basically Java vocational training.
Alan KayAs far as Apple goes, it was a different company every few years from the time I joined in 1984.
Alan Kay