It's very easy to co-opt subcultures, and I think that scene was very easily coopted, not just on a feminist level but on a capitalist level in general. It's hard to see now because, to me, now there are so many competing pluralistic subcultures.

Advertising is brilliant. It's an industry that spends billions and billions of dollars to get you to react the way it wants you to react.

It's very easy to co-opt subcultures, and I think that scene was very easily coopted, not just on a feminist level but on a capitalist level in general. It's hard to see now because, to me, now there are so many competing pluralistic subcultures.

There's always been a way in which capitalism has been able to almost get in on the ground floor of feminist movements and use them for their own ends.

We are conditioned to be consumers since birth. I still think it's kind of incumbent on us as consumers to know the difference between something that's truly progressive and something that's just trying to get us to buy a product. Capitalism, ultimately, it's not about equality, it's not about social justice.

The media is such a huge piece of how we understand feminism, particularly celebrity feminism, and I really do think that so much of how that stuff gets filtered through can be either finessed or really stymied by how media talks about it.

Capitalism is a system that's ultimately predicated on and depends on some form of inequality. Feminism has always intersected with capitalism in terms of women's labor and gendered divisions of labor.