There are a lot of spikes that can happen when what you're doing starts to get attention or people start to talk about it. They can just kind of really do a number on your reasons for making music.

Adding instruments to parts of a song and having them somehow find a pocket. That to me was a huge lesson. Like, there's more than 808s in the universe.

My father was a psychiatrist and a social worker but he was a very talented painter and musician and writer on the side.

I feel like people just let each other live a little more in New York.

Touring is really a weird social experiment, even though everyone thinks it's a party every day.

I want to be around these positive, expressive people who are doing something different and who also want to get the hell out of there and don't want to be around basic human bullshit.

Painting and animation can be kind of long work. Music was more immediate and more fun.