Two men look out the same prison bars; one sees mud and the other stars.

The years keep going by and you realize, Wow. Doing these records is such a process: going on tour for a year and a half, then you get home and you want to do other things.

Technology was something I avoided when I started out - I didn't even have electric guitars. Only played acoustic.

There's an infinite amount of possibilities and detours and things that can distract you from actually just performing the song and having whatever emotion that's invested into the song come through in the recording.

I didn't even have a computer until like 10 years ago. I was still using a typewriter until 2002.

Most of my early records were not cohesive at all, just collections of demos recorded in different years. 'Odelay' was the first time I actually got to go in the studio and record a piece of music in a continuous linear fashion, although that was written over a year.

With my own music, I try to get away from things that are familiar and things that would be easy for me to go to.