On leather jackets: That's the next step. You have to take one step at a time. It was easier to start with fur.

Most people, especially activists, recognize their differences with others rather than what they have in common and that leads to frustration more than persuasion.

Attitudes toward gays have shifted much like they have for animals. People have a hard time relating to those who are different and often strike out against them in ignorance. But society is really starting to wise up at last as more enlightened generations emerge.

Most people are sensitized to animals through their cats and dogs, but for me it was a flounder. I used to go fishing with my dad as a kid and always felt bad about yanking these panic-stricken creatures from the water. I stopped eating fish as an adolescent and went vegan at twenty.

I've always thought it would be fun to have a vegan campaign aimed at gays called "Don't be a Dairy Queen."

Back in the eighties, people thought a vegan was someone from Vegas. It's a different world now and I feel lucky to have been a part of the revolution, both for animal rights and gay rights.

On leather jackets: That's the next step. You have to take one step at a time. It was easier to start with fur.