I got called back into the Navy during the Korean War.

But I decided I wanted more education and I had to make a choice between starting law school, which was interesting to me, and going for a graduate degree in engineering.

I did graduate with a bachelor's degree in civil engineering in 1948.

I might say that in retrospect, looking at where the community college system is today, I think we may have gone too far. The community college system is so big, so broad, so consuming of tax money.

When it came time to go to the University, it was during the war.

And then, when I went into the Navy, there was no choice. You took about half of the hours during your naval training as naval courses and the other half were engineering.

I got called back into the Navy during the Korean War.