If you look at music, you see theme, variation, you see symmetry, asymmetry, you see structure, and these are related to skills in the real world.

In the early 1970s. 1971, '72. The rooms were closing down, record labels weren't signing acoustic acts any more. Although they had been pretty much been getting out of that for some time before that.

And then adds with a laugh, 'but in retrospect I think he may have been more sophisticated than we were.'

If there was ever any truth to the trickle-down theory, the only evidence of it I've ever seen was in that period of 1960 to 1965. All of sudden they were handing out major label recording contracts like they were coming in Cracker Jack boxes.

I'm an exhibitionist, I was an exhibitionist as a kid.

I think I have more in common with a carpenter than you might think. We're putting things together.

I don't think I went a year or so without a record between 1959 and 1979, sometimes two.