But I make the observation that no one of us would do things exactly alike.

Well, I was about six or seven, and my mother and father separated.

I finished law school in '56, but I was working two jobs.

I went downtown as a lawyer and then I worked in a liquor store at night, as I had done all through law school. And so when I got to the point where I could give up the night job, I joined the political club.

We borrowed money, it helped us with bonds and what not, and the Federal Government backed it, but it was a guarantee, it was not a grant. And we not only paid it off, but we paid it off ahead of time.

As a matter of fact, even when I finished law school, I had no notion of public service then.

I love children, and most of my involvement now has to do with children or youth programs.